In this conversation I share my journey in traditional Ju-Jitsu, discussing the evolution of martial arts training, the importance of testing, and the balance between self-defense and sport. I emphasize the significance of connecting with diverse students in a dojo and the role of failure in personal growth. The discussion also touches on the challenges of running a dojo and the future of traditional martial arts in a modern context. In this conversation, Old Man On The Matm and myself discuss various themes surrounding martial arts, education, and personal development. We explore the importance of accountability in education, the value of testing and promotion in martial arts, and the symbolism of the black belt. The conversation also touches on the significance of physical capability in law enforcement, the necessity of de-escalation and communication skills, and the journey of writing a book about the history of Ju-Jitsu in America.